I know. You've been sitting there wondering all day how to tell the temperature of steel when it's glowing. Well hold on to your hats guys, I'll go ya one better. With this easy, fun filled lesson, you can find the temperatures of all metals over 500 degrees!!!

Here ya go, based on color, steel (and other metals) glow:

just visible, very dull red at 500C (932F)

deep red at 550 to 600C (1022-1112F)/ 660C aluminum melts (depending on metal content)

deep bright red (dark cherry) at 700 to 750C (1292-1382F)

bright red(medium cherry) at 800 to 850C (1472 to 1562F)

light red (light cherry) at 850 to 900C (1562 to 1652F)

orange at 950 to 1000C (1742 to 1832F)/ 960.5 silver melts, some brasses and bronzes melt, depending on content

yellow at 1000 to 1100C (1832 to 2002F)/ 1083 Copper melts

yellow to white at 1300+ (over 2362F)/ melting points for lots of other things you don't need to worry about, including nickel at 1453, the next lowest is palladium at 1555C

1539C (2802F) Iron melts, Steel varies depending on content. Steel and iron also easily burn as they approach melting temperature.

Why does this amazing phenomenon happen you ask? Remember high school physics? Well, electrons have natural valence shells around the atom, which is a fancy way of saying they orbit the nucleus at a certain approximate distance.

When heated, it adds energy to the equation, which allows the electrons to jump valences, or orbit further out. As this is not the normal state for the electron, it eventually loses the energy and moves back inwards. Some of that energy is given off as light, causing the glow. Simplifying somewhat, as more energy is added, the photons (light particles/waves) speed up (yes I know, the speed of light is a constant, they actually change frequencies), and the color changes.

Don't hesitate, if this article changes your life, be sure to let me know. As always safety first, heating metal to this temperature may cause injuries up to and including death, as may hanging around with that gangbanger on the corner. Really you should know better. Didn't your mamma raise you right? Sheesh.

Comments
on Aug 31, 2005
Idon't know about pointless, I have been using an Oxy/acetylene adjustment tool all my life and never knew the temps so this fills an insignificant void in my knowledge of metals...
on Aug 31, 2005
this fills an insignificant void in my knowledge of metals...


If you think this is fun, wait 'til my next one, where I discuss annealing and hardening. I think I'll call it Temper, temper...........
on Aug 31, 2005
Been there and tried it back in Middle school.  I dont like Acyteline (SP) torches!  You melt it and make it.  I will buy it.
on Aug 31, 2005
You melt it and make it. I will buy it.


You can't buy love, doc......you can't buy love........

Acyteline? We don' need no stinkin' acyteline. Propane burners as designed by nbs all the way!
on Aug 31, 2005
Are you headed towards a full explanation of how to create damaskus steel?
on Sep 01, 2005
one of my first 'real' jobs required me to occupy what was described as an 'office' but was really more like a large closet in which i would receive sample casts and ingots freshly poured during various stages of every heat being cooked in whichever of 10 openhearth furnaces had been tricked into being usable during that shift. i'd have to pulverize, slice and otherwise prepare these samples for analysis before transmitting them to the met lab via the same kinda vacuum-powered containers some times still used by bank drive-in windows.

based on the results of the met lab tests, the guys making the steel would have to add other metals or adjust the temperature.

it wasn't a terribly exciting job specially since i worked like midnites (at least i gotta extra quarter an hour or somethin). apparently the entire process musta been pretty boring (well except for the pour) cuz the guys who worked the furnaces looked forward to me nodding out so they could toss a buncha samples from different heats on the table and then stand around waiting for the lab to call to ask where the fuckin samples were.

without any way of telling which came from where, i'd have no choice but to bluff my way thru it.

and thats why america aint a major steel producer anymore and also why guys like you have to build your own continuous casters n basic oxygen forges.
on Sep 01, 2005
Are you headed towards a full explanation of how to create damaskus steel?


No one knows.......It's a great mystery, a lost technique. They did recreate the process independently in the eighties, but nobody knows for sure the original methods. No one even knows for sure the origins of the name. Damascus as in Syria? Or Damas, old school arabic for water, which the blade is supposed to resemble.

Modern "damascus" steel (actually something quite different) is actually something called pattern-welding, a very strong way to forge metal, by stacking, flattening, folding, and forge welding steel over and over again, "twisting" the metal into a beautiful series of grains that can be brought out in the finished blade by polishing, or washing the blade in acids. It resembles true damascus steel so closely, that they weren't known to be truly different until the early 1800s.

It's different though. During the crusades, stories began to trickle back. Swords that would bend around a mans body, then go straight again, cut through rock, and still have enough of an edge to split hairs, that kind of thing. Mostly (but not entirely) true as it turned out. Rather than a mechanical process, sword makers of the Middle East had modified the wootz steel techniques of India.

Take iron, charcoal, glass, and a secret blend of herbs and spices, cook in a crucible in mysterious, unknown ways (mysssterrrrrrious....... boo!!!!!!) and Bam!!! kick it up a notch, you've got little buttons of a very unique steel, with the carbides (alloys containing uber hard particles of carbon) precipitated out in layers, or bands. Turn that bad boy into a sword, and sharpen down to one of the carbide bands at the edge............and you've got something that'll go through that pattern-welded crap like butter, baby.........
on Sep 01, 2005
Crap, was that an article? I think that was an article........shoot.

and thats why america aint a major steel producer anymore and also why guys like you have to build your own continuous casters n basic oxygen forges.


True, but I ain't smelting it and analysing it too. My stuff comes (or will be coming, truth be told) from old saw blades, farm tools, leaf springs..........maybe from your very ex-steel plant. Please to stay awake, sir. S' important. I can only test quality from the usual methods, grain structure, grinding and looking at sparks, hardness, etc. (or knowing the exact type o' steel by what it's made from) We the good nutball hobbiests of America (okay, and maybe some legitimate farriers and such) rely on you.
on Sep 02, 2005
I don't know what you're talking about, but one time I burned myself when I touched a hot pan.
on Sep 02, 2005
I don't know what you're talking about, but one time I burned myself when I touched a hot pan.


Ouch. I've got a couple of scars like that. Got a big one off of the muffler on an edger. Lawn and garden type.

Short and simple? Damascus steel = uber cool. Pretty, dark ripples on the surface of the steel that make it very strong, and that make custom knife/sword collectors' (way beyond your highlander-commerorative-sword goth-boy-type geeks) pocket books open uber wide.

Depending on the blade and who makes it, three hundred usually opens for small knives, and several thousand dollars is not unheard of. Plus, like I said, they're like way totally wicked cool looking, dude. For sure.