So, we meet again at last. The circle is now complete........
Published on November 12, 2005 By Spc Nobody Special In Humor
Okay, I've got to finally admit it. The temptation is there. I'm having second thoughts.

No, not the kind of second thoughts like, man I love dark chocolate though, or, my wife's 3000 miles away, she'd never know about just one time. Not those......well, ok, maybe the one about the chocolate.

I've been thinking about going back in. Of course, three months of not working consistently has been somewhat of a factor. But if I go back in, it's enough of a time commitment that I'm looking at maybe the rest of my 20 years. Big decision.

I still have things I want to do out of the Army. And I've got to admit, I've enjoyed the little freedoms. Things like having hair, being able to talk back to people, not going to jail if I don't go in to work in the morning. However............

Money's tight. My new renter backed out on me when I found out I'd have to get my foundation fixed myself, the insurance wouldn't cover it. My last terminal leave paycheck is here and gone. I've potentially got a chance at several jobs, but they're in no hurry to hire. Hell, even the minimum wage stuff around here hires at leisure. I could be cleaned out and then some. Put your stuff in storage and living with your parents kind of broke. Maybe lose my house, my car, the works.

There were many, many things I hated about being in the army. However, a fair part of it, nay, a HUGE part of it was my attitude, and how I reacted to those things. If I go back in, now I wouldn't necessarily have to be a Korean linguist anymore. I could retrain in arabic. I could get a shot at the Army Band. If the mood so struck me, I could even go be an eleven bravo and see the world on me own two feet. Woot.

I don't know. I didn't like what I did, but I didn't mind the lifestyle it afforded me, no matter what the suckage was. But Jeez......another fourteen plus years? Blech. Here's some pros and cons, just for thinking material.

Cons
Steady paycheck. What you make is what you make is what you make.
Free Army Healthcare.
Getting up to do pt every morning
Knowing what I'm going to do for the next decade and a half.
Army housing.
Any MRE with pasta or cake in it.
The condition of Army facilities
Getting college interrupted by deployments, moving around, and missions
Some of the worst coworkers I've ever worked with.
Giving up any number of personal freedoms.
Moving. A lot.
The extreme hierchial system, especially being at the bottom of it. No real meritocracy, mostly automatic advancement.
Being insanely jealous of warrant officers.
Being away from my wife/family for huge stretches of time.
Field exercises.
Inventories.
Being signed (and therefore personally responsible) for things costing in the millions of dollars. That your platoon sergeant insists on taking out and wrecks. In Korea. Not that I'm thinking of anything in particular............
Living in crappy towns. Alright, Monterey was one hell of an exception, but still, Ft. Hood kind of balances that out, don't you think?
Doing the work of two with a crew of twenty. Or vice-versa.
The uniform. Especially the F---ing beret.
Shining my boots. And pressing my uniform. Every. f---ing. day.
Formations.
Marching.
Inspections.
Shiny floors.
Mandatory fun.
Bearing responsibility directly, or indirectly for killing people, whether deservedly or not.
Either no recognition, or so much recognition for everyone that any you might recieve is meaningless.
Working long weekends when you know everyone else on the post has off.
Not going home for the holidays.
Extreme rampant alcoholism.
Lowest common denominator treatment.
Flu shots.
Having to keep my mouth shut about what I did at work. (former M.I.)
They somehow find the places with the worst damned weather to build posts. (Ft. Hood, Huachuca.......actually, I liked Huachuca, it was 115, but it was a DRY heat........anywhere in Korea, Iraq.........)
Doing whatever you're told, period. No if/ands/or buts.
Being a highly trained professional that never gets to do their job.
Having to be careful what I say on my blog. Yeah, I erased a few. Or at least moved them to private.
Sergeants time training.

U]Pros
Steady, decent paycheck.
Free Army Healthcare.
Being in shape.
Knowing what I'm going to do for the next decade and a half.
Housing and food paid for.
Free access Army facilities.
Army assistance with college. Free tuition in many cases.
Some of the very best people I've had the honor to work with.
Knowing that I'm helping to protect freedom in my country, and around the globe.
Constantly seeing new places and meeting new and interesting people. (and sometimes killing them.)
Knowing who to go to with problems, and who's in charge, and how things are to be done, almost always.
The chance to become an officer or warrant.
Being away from my wife/family for long stretches of time. (just kidding, dear.) In all fairness though, it's good to take a break sometimes, and I do enjoy the long stretches of time that let me focus on things that I couldn't ordinarily do. Life when you're gone is simpler, just because there's no way that you could possibly affect much of what's going on at home when you're not there. Plus absence makes the sex grow better. ermmm the heart grow fonder, yeah........
I get to shoot a gun. A machine gun even. I love that.
Korean food.
Potential sign up bonus.
Rarely having to look far for help with manual tasks.
Polypros. The neck gaiter. The old field jackets and pt shirts.
Having shiny floors.
Saving lives.
Knowing exactly what to do when that crazy accident happens somewhere on the highway. Unless his head is crushed and there's nothing you can do, which sucks major balls.
One "Thank you" from a civilian or foreign national beats all the medals I've ever gotten, and beats out the other dumb crap you get like being called ignorant kids/victims that don't know what we're doing, or babykillers, hearing "go home g.i.", etc.
Long weekends almost every frickin' month.
All the holidays off.
Seeing shit you would NEVER see in civilian life.
Knowing secret squirrel stuff that the public doesn't. Shh......I didn't say this one.
You know how people are always making explosives out of "common household items"? I learned how to do that in the army. Not directly, mind you. But it's amazing what info is floating around in the system. Sappers, I salute you.
Ultimate frisbee ROCKS!!!
Did I mention the steady paycheck thing?

Even if I started talking to a recruiter now though, and signed right up, It'd be awhile before I saw that first paycheck. At least it would clear up the future though. Maybe none if it matters though, and KISD will get their s--t together, and job offers from all the places I've been putting in at will rain down from the heavens. Yeah, and maybe I'm a chinese jet pilot.

Ideas? (and yes, snide laughter from former unit members is impolite, but appropriate.)

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on Nov 12, 2005
No snide laughter, but I hope things become more clear soon.
I have internet again! Yay!
on Nov 12, 2005

Does it HAVE to be the Army? Have you looked at joining the USAF?  We don't have it quite as rough as you guys, and we still have linguist career fields. You'd probably get credit for prior service...and some of the enlistment bonuses and re-up bonuses are huge.

Might be something to think about.

on Nov 12, 2005
Give in to your feelings young Line Walker! Come take your place with us (careerists). Together we can rule the galaxy! (Or at least get to train someone who someday might! ;~D

Look into all your options, I know that first couple of years out (especially in college when I just knew I failed out of Paramedic school (again)), I was in the recruiters' office more than my share of times. You might even think about looking into the reserves or National Guard (AGR), full time benefits without all the pesky moving around.

Just a couple of thoughts. Good Luck with your decisions!
on Nov 12, 2005
Give in to your feelings young Line Walker! Come take your place with us


Dave's not in this because he's a big patriot, y'know. He's in it because the pay is steady, we get housing paid for, free medical benefits and he's getting 50% of his base pay as a retirement check. He's done 13 1/2, so he's got about 6 left before he can sign out on terminal leave and grow his hair long.

He almost got out in 2000. His term was up, and he was looking at getting out because he was so disillusioned with the job and the way the AF was going. His Uncle talked him into staying...Danny was prior service and said that if he had to do it all over again, he'd stay in. So, Dave made the decision to stay, and has never regretted it. He's achieved all of his career goals, he's got a degree...when he does get out after 20 years he'll still be young enough to go and get another job somewhere and even develop and second career if he wants to.

It's got it's drawbacks, yes.....but at the end of the day we don't have to worry about him getting laid off next week or how we're going to feed and clothe our kids. If one of us gets seriously ill we won't go bankrupt trying to pay hospital bills - we got a bill from the hospital for my back surgery, and it was just under $40,000. The military paid 100% of it. If we hadn't had Tricare, we simply couldn't have afforded it.

For us, the downsides like deployments and time spent away from home - those are worth it for a steady check and peace of mind.

Cross over into the blue, dude. The water's just fine.....
on Nov 13, 2005
the security of knowing that paycheck will be in your account every pay period until you ets or retire will definitely help you sleep at night. however, you do earn it with your soul. you have to learn to let your pride go; and you have be fearless when it counts.
shine your fucking boots and iron your uniform. whoops! new uniforms and boots = new regs. get promoted. the pay does get better with promotions and longevity. plus, you live off post if your married or a geo bat.
now comes the part i hated. 90% of the people you work with are some of the most uneducated people you will ever meet. that doesn't come close to the 10% who are just freaking geniuses. with that promotion to nco comes responsibility, peter, i mean NBS.
you have to dress them, hold their hands, and listen to every gosh darn excuse known to man. if you're willing to take on the politics of outranking your friends and telling them to suck it up when they screw up, then go ahead. i just couldn't stand all the complaining.
i've heard more crying in the army than in day-care. it's the army, it's suppose to suck. you knew ut was going to suck when you first joined and all your friends said you were a fucking idiot.
i say re-up with a new perspective on the army and you will be o.k.
on Nov 13, 2005
Does it HAVE to be the Army? Have you looked at joining the USAF?


Hell yeah. However....slower promotions, forget about signing bonuses, and for some reason they seem to have a thing against hiring ex-army korean linguists. Seems we're insanely bitter and negative or something....... They do treat their people mighty nice, though.

You might even think about looking into the reserves or National Guard (AGR), full time benefits without all the pesky moving around.


True, but there's that whole deploying more than the active military thing too. I'm thinking all or nothing here.

however, you do earn it with your soul.


I think mine got lost in my "household goods" move on the way back from 2nd ID.

whoops! new uniforms and boots = new regs.


True, forgot desert boots are good to go all the time now. I trust the no iron thing about as far as the no ironing BDUs went though. Remember how well that one lasted?

i say re-up with a new perspective on the army and you will be o.k.


S'true. I did alright early on when I was determined to put forth a good attitude. I just let some bad shit that happened (again and again and again) wear me down over time, and I lost it. Started going around angry all the time without the ability to see outside of it.

P.S. What's up with the Peter bit? Is this a guess at who I am or something? A stab at someone I should now? M'name's Ben. If I'm missing something, well, I hung out with a drummer earlier this week, and everyone knows that kills brain cells.
on Nov 13, 2005
A friend of my spouse was in a similar situation. He was an ex-Army Russian linguist who had gotten out and moved to the Austin area. He had a stay-at-home wife and four young children to support. He was convinced that he hated the Army, that it had nothing to offer him, and that he could do well on the outside.

Okay, that's not entirely fair. He was stop-lossed, deployed, and brought back immediately before his ETS date. They did not allow him the proper time to ACAP or to try and find a job. And, when he attempted to talk about reenlistmen, they told him it was too late! (A falsehood, but perhaps not a lie... many people didn't know their asses from their elbows about reenlistment at the time.)

A year later, a year without health care for his family, without a steady job, where the best job he had paid him in cash under the table... he came back in. As an Arabic linguist. Another tour in Monterey to learn the language, but then what? A near guaranteed deployment when he gets to his permanent duty station. But he's taking care of his family.

You've only got the one to take care of, but I know that you feel about her the way that man feels about his entire family. You want to provide, not only for yourself, but for your loved one. (Ones if you count insane cats and zombie deer, I suppose.)

Being insanely jealous of warrant officers.


The chance to become an officer or warrant.


So, you have considered it? I could ask one of ours for more information, perhaps, but I'm nearly certain you'd have to be active in order to apply that route. (Honestly, I'm looking into it myself, just to explore my options.)

More so than all of this:
i say re-up with a new perspective on the army and you will be o.k.


I did alright early on when I was determined to put forth a good attitude.


I am determined now, and am putting forth a good attitude. It has done wonders for me at work (and personally, but that's a different story). PT is up, motivation is up, I get a lot of personal recognition (which was there before, I was just too gloomy to see it). (Speaking of that, SFC C still has a very high opinion of you and your abilities, was sorry to see you go, and still reads your blog here occasionally. Say what you might about the man, at least think of it this way: he certainly feels that he is right for the Army, so if he feels the same way about you, that's a high compliment, right?) (Not saying that you would bad mouth him, but there are those who would.) (I'm done with the parentheses, now, I hope.)

It's important to keep your options open. Maybe you could talk to a recruiter. Or three recruiters, all from different areas, so you could get some sort of "liar's consensus" on what the truth is. Look into it, and let us know if we can offer more advice...
on Nov 13, 2005
Dude, my heart goes out to you. Even having the steady GI Bill, there have been times when I've been tempted to go back too. That you are may not have a choice in the end due to economic realities is a bitter thing. But if that is what you do in the end, you'll have to let go of all the bitterness (and hate) for the sake of your future happiness. I think you understand that. I do feel for you.

If you do end up coming back to DLI, I'll go down and buy you a beer.
on Nov 13, 2005

SPC.  I have been in your position twice now (Unemployed!  Please lets not start the comedy routine again).  The first time, my ex-employer told us it takes 6-12 months to get a non-burger flipping job!  I did beat the odds, barely.  It was 4 months, and yes in the interim, I did anything (not Whoring) for money.  But that taught me a lot.  I actually turned down a job (pay too low) before I found one that was the cats Pajamas!  And it was!  for 13 years!

Then the second one happened (I knew it was coming, and they never lied to me about that, but did string me along for longer than most).  But as I knew it was coming, I had my papers on the street and time.  That one took almost 6 months (only 2 from the time I was actually let go).  But I did know not to apply for the hokie ones! (as I did the first time around).

My lesson?  It takes time.  Focus on a single thing.  And then attack it.  Dont use the Shotgun approach.  That never works.  And have patience!  Again, it takes time.

on Nov 14, 2005
If you do end up coming back to DLI, I'll go down and buy you a beer.


If I get there, I'll drink it, teetotaller or not.

Dont use the Shotgun approach


It's worked for me great in the past, it's just now that everything's fakakta, ya know?

It continues.........I actually walked into a recruiting office today. Their verdict? I can get you started, and begin filling out paperwork, but the actual reenlistment, and anything regarding a reclass would have to come at MEPS. (military enlistment processing center, i think.....) If you don't like what you hear there, worst case scenario, you can always walk. Hmmmmm. True or fiction?

He seemed nice enough, but then so did my last recruiter, and as far as I know, they ended up in jail for fraud. (lying to recruits, falsifying statements and test scores, etc.) The thing I definitely don't want to do is sign something saying I'll come back inadvertently, then be told nope, you're already signed, and you can't reclass. Although I don't think that's what would happen. Meh. We bullshitted for a little while (and it was nice talking to someone who speaks Army) and he told me if I was interested, come back in with a copy of my 214 and start filling out paperwork, and they'd pass me on to the next step at MEPS.
on Nov 14, 2005
Oh yes, the reason given for this was my prior enlistment, plus recent seperation.
on Nov 14, 2005
This is such a big decision. There are so many times that I have wanted my husband to get out and there have been times he wanted to get out but when you have three kids it's scary just taking your chances on finding a decent civilian job. Even more so when you don't have an education, at least a formal one.

Just make sure you get everything in writing before you sign and maybe talk to more than one recruiter.
on Nov 15, 2005
FYI, this week's Army Times is reporting your MOS as being "out call" for PVT through SGT.
on Nov 15, 2005

FYI, this week's Army Times is reporting your MOS as being "out call" for PVT through SGT.

Translate for the rest of us?

on Nov 15, 2005
Translate for the rest of us?


Means they've got surplus soldiers for that job and they're letting people move to other jobs. (MOSs)
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